Craftsman Professional Oil Free Air Compressor 60 Gallon Reviews
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Mopar_Ray
07-09-2008, 04:09 PM
Looking at a used compressor locally. Establish a craftsman, half dozen.five hp 60 gal. 220 volt, oil less, twin cylinder at a pretty skillful cost. Are these whatsoever expert? Looked on sears web site and can't detect anything to compare to. Information technology's six or seven years old. Are these whatever adept? Thanks, Ray
bobg0719
07-09-2008, 04:21 PM
I have had 2 different 5hp xxx gal craftsman oiless compressors. They worked proficient for now and and so use, but one time I actually started using my DA sander and my long lath they ran more constantly and chewed upward the cylinder walls and pistons. Being that information technology is a twin cylinder with lx gal, information technology will non run as much, and be able to continue up. You lot may not have the same problem I did. I prefer a compressor with oil to assist lubricate and dissipate the rut. That is merely my stance.
Choppers_rule
07-09-2008, 04:thirty PM
I was going to buy 60 gallons oil less Craftsman but afterwards talking to some people here I have changed my mind.
I guess it depends on how much are yous paying for it.
Now between INGERSOL and BELAIR...which one do y'all guys prefer?:scratchch
RyanBayles
07-09-2008, 06:52 PM
I would purchase the compressor if the cost is right.
At present between INGERSOL and BELAIR...which 1 practise you guys adopt?
Go with the BELAIR nosotros have a INGERSOL compressor hither at work and it tears upwards every 3 months.
Mopar_Ray
07-09-2008, 08:09 PM
Thanks much! all ready bought it. $300 looks pretty much brand new. Only using for primer and paint on ii projects at the time.
I was going to purchase 60 gallons oil less Craftsman but after talking to some people here I have changed my listen.
I guess it depends on how much are you paying for it.
Now between INGERSOL and BELAIR...which one do you guys prefer?:scratchch
I have some pretty good buys on BelAire compressors. Most accept complimentary shipping.
http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/bel218VW.jpg
LINK
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Phil V
07-ten-2008, 03:24 AM
Those oil less air compressors would be my last pick with a lot of distance between those compressors and the next one I would choose. Those craftsman DIAPHRAM type air pump (no pistons involved) accept got to be the about loud and obnoxious sounding compressors I accept always had the misfortune of being around. They run then fast and so hot that they self-destruct in a relatively short amount of time. And before they self-destruct they pump copious amounts of water (because they run fast and hot). I don't mean to rain on your parade but on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best I would rate that Craftsman oil less air compressor at around a one or less.
Choppers_rule
07-10-2008, 04:01 PM
I take some pretty adept buys on BelAire compressors. Most have free aircraft.
http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/bel218VW.jpg
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(http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=C1)
Len- Are parts like shooting fish in a barrel to find for the BelAire? Is it more reliable than IR?
I'm planning on buying a single phase 60 gallons.
roozterdvx
07-14-2008, 12:07 PM
I only recently replaced a 10+ twelvemonth old 6.5hp 60 gal Craftsman compressor.
It ran flawlessly for all those years. Granted, information technology was never used for body work, mainly for touch tools and other various air tool asscociated with mechanical repairs.
Since recently getting started on prepping my auto for paint, the compressor didn't survive the long run times of using a D/A and grinder. It bankrupt a connecting rod which killed the lesser of the cylinder and proceeded to beat out the heck out of the lesser of the other cylinder. During all of this, pieces came flying out through the shroud and left me with a couple of more than dings to gear up on the auto and a broken windshield also.
Lucky I was on the other side of the car.
I aspect the failure to oestrus generated with the long run times.
As mentioned past someone else also, oil-less compressors are quite noisy. I woke up many nights considering I forgot to switch off the compressor and pressure level dropped enough to boot it on.
Total_Package
07-14-2008, 01:34 PM
If you become on Sears.com you will run into Craftsmen compressors are a POS for prepping/sanding/DA
What practise y'all guys think about these two compressors?
Campbell Hausfeld http://world wide web.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00988719000P
Maxus iii HP 60 Gallon Compressor http://world wide web.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00988582000P
I'd like to get a BelAir only I dont know whatsoever local places that sell them? I know Sears doesnt and I'd like to go a extended warranty only in case
stealth1
07-15-2008, 07:xiii PM
I would stay away from oil-less compressors for whatsoever type of bodywork and paint as they run very hot and fast which produces moisture, and they are LOUD and abrasive to exist around.
The blank minimum for auto-body would be 60 gallon with 12cfm@40psi and fifty-fifty that is a piddling small. The trouble with big box stores similar Sears and Lowes is their compressors are mass produced for profit and typically accept smaller motors and consumer grade components that will vesture out in an machine-body enviroment.
Len sells some nice Belair compressors that are much higher quality than a Sears compressor. Only take a look at this Eaton compressor and take note of the motor and plumbing equally all of the components are of industrial quality and would easily outlast a craftsman compressor anyday.
http://www.eatoncompressor.com/catalog/item/504747/172983.htm
Stealth
Dennis Northward. Schmidt
07-15-2008, 08:05 PM
Make isn't the upshot. The issue is oilless which is not a good thing although there is a tendency to believe that it is. Oilless compressors use teflon piston rings which is how they can be oilless and are LOUD, LOUDER AND LOUDEST. You lot will find youself asking people to echo themselves if you're around these long enough. Buy a belt driven, low speed, oil lubricated compressor.
Mopar_Ray
07-15-2008, 10:00 PM
I but recently replaced a 10+ year former 6.5hp 60 gal Craftsman compressor.
Information technology ran flawlessly for all those years. Granted, it was never used for body work, mainly for touch on tools and other various air tool asscociated with mechanical repairs.
Since recently getting started on prepping my automobile for paint, the compressor didn't survive the long run times of using a D/A and grinder. It broke a connecting rod which killed the bottom of the cylinder and proceeded to beat the heck out of the bottom of the other cylinder. During all of this, pieces came flying out through the shroud and left me with a couple of more dings to fix on the car and a broken windshield also.
Lucky I was on the other side of the automobile.
I attribute the failure to estrus generated with the long run times.
As mentioned past someone else also, oil-less compressors are quite noisy. I woke up many nights because I forgot to switch off the compressor and pressure dropped enough to kick it on.
Well we bought the POS Didn't like the oil-less idea idea but i wasn't paying for it. lasted about 2 hours advertizing blew a rod! DO NOT Buy A OIL-LESS COMPRESSOR!!!
dundeedude
07-15-2008, 10:45 PM
Guys, I know bigger is meliorate in this case, but I've heard many people using a lx gallon and it has worked o.k. Is this true?
Thanks.
Total_Package
07-15-2008, 11:02 PM
Campbell Hausfeld
http://www.sears.com/shc/south/p_10153_12605_00988719000P
This sixty Gallon says it is oil lubricated. Expert idea?
dundeedude
07-16-2008, 07:50 AM
Guys, I know bigger is amend in this example, but I've heard many people using a 60 gallon and it has worked o.thou. Is this true?
Thanks.
I recently heard someone expressing on anothe forum that a threescore is the everyman to become for torso work. This is what prompted my mail prior to yours.
JCCLARK
07-xvi-2008, 08:36 AM
The size of the tank should exist your least consideration.
CFM is what counts.
It'due south truthful that information technology volition take longer to come up on with a bigger tank,
simply it volition besides run longer to refill it.
Once the motor starts running, all that really matters is the CFM
it can produce, that is what will determine if it can go along up with
the demand.
Don't be led astray by mfg claims of a large tank, that's an old fox
to make up for a low CFM compressor. Inexpensive compressors practise that.
They also merits high horsepowers that are but not true.
Compare motors by the amp draw, not HP.
Overall, Compare by CFM'due south, that's what counts.:cool:
The size of the tank should be your least consideration.
CFM is what counts.
Information technology'south true that information technology volition take longer to come up on with a bigger tank,
but information technology will also run longer to refill it.
In one case the motor starts running, all that really matters is the CFM
it can produce, that is what will determine if it tin can go along upwardly with
the demand.
Don't be led astray past mfg claims of a big tank, that's an old trick
to make up for a depression CFM compressor. Cheap compressors practice that.
They also claim high horsepowers that are simply not true.
Compare motors past the amp draw, not HP.
Overall, Compare past CFM's, that'due south what counts.:cool:
I disagree, the size of the tank is at to the lowest degree as important (if not more than important) as the CFM.
You can have a small tank with a large CFM and your compressor will click on and off several times as yous spray. With a large tank and small CFM you could get all the way around the car and the compressor may not fifty-fifty come on in one case because the pressure drop is much less. While both are important I would rather have a marginal CFM and a larger tank than enough CFM and a small tank. There are days in my shop that I can utilise the compressor a couple times and information technology never kicks on but a smaller tank would have information technology going on and off several times. Of form it'south best to have both CFM and large tank but if I have a x to 13 CFM pump and a sixty to 80 gallon tank I'll rarely take air bug when spraying and the wear and tear on my compressor is much less than a 15 CFM that needs to switch on and off a lot.
JCCLARK
07-16-2008, 01:53 PM
I agree with you lot, tank size is important.
But.
I've never seen a compressor with an oversized pump,
where the tank is to small.
Just the opposite
I have seen plenty of cheap compressors with huge tanks
and minor motors and pumps trying to convince the customer
they're getting a "bigger" compressor for the coin.
It's a common rip-off.
A quality compressor volition have a good balance ratio,
tank size to cfm output.
When y'all're running a 15 cfm air sander at 90 psi, once the motor comes on,
if you don't accept the CFM output, the tank doesn't matter.
It will go on loosing pressure level.
I concord with yous, tank size is important.
But.
I've never seen a compressor with an oversized pump,
where the tank is to small.
Just the opposite
I have seen plenty of cheap compressors with huge tanks
and small-scale motors and pumps trying to convince the client
they're getting a "bigger" compressor for the money.
Information technology'southward a common rip-off.
A quality compressor will have a good balance ratio,
tank size to cfm output.
When you're running a fifteen cfm air sander at 90 psi, once the motor comes on,
if you don't take the CFM output, the tank doesn't matter.
It volition go along loosing pressure.
You won't loose sanding pressure until yous deplete enough air from the tank. A big tank will take much longer to drop to a pressure that will effect the tool that you're using. I don't think I've ever owned a sander that uses that much air just if I did I would probably have problems. I've had a 13 CFM, eighty gal compressor for 40 years and have never had a depression pressure trouble except when I accept more than one person using the air.
JCCLARK
07-17-2008, 07:45 AM
Yes, you're right.
That'south because you accept an adequate compressor.
Any compressor that puts out enough air for air tools is going to have
a big plenty tank.
You won't find a large CFM compressor with a pocket-size tank.
What yous say is truthful just misleading.
But because a compressor has a big tank doesn't mean information technology'due south a big compressor.
The chineese crap being sold is taking advatage of that type of thinking.
Selling big tank compressors with small motors and pumps.
People see the big tank and think information technology's a deal. It's not.
It's a lot less compressor for the money.
I guess you could accept a 1/ii HP compressor and stick it on a
500 gallon tank and pigment, that's non what you want.
It's very misleading to tell someone to purchase a compressor by tank size,
The output cfm can exist half as much even though the tank is bigger.
That's also why they wear out quickly.
If they put out one-half the cfm, they take to run twice as much, catamenia.
One way or the other, they have to produce the CFM that's being used.
There'due south no brusque cuts in compressors,
Heir-apparent beware of low priced compressors with big tanks, it's a con.
That'due south why it'south important to cheque
pump CFM and motor amps, that's the items that reveal the quality.
If you become a quality compressor,adequate size motor and pump,
the tank will be big enough.
Tank size is important, but not an issue with a quality compressor.:cool:
rustedgoat
07-17-2008, 08:58 AM
Heres a link to some photos of my eaton compared to a craftsman, look at the size difference betwixt pump and the motors on each.
http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568024
I think most used compressors are beingness sold because the owners are getting fed up with what they have and are getting something better. I looked for a quality used one for a while and nothing good came up.
Yous rarely hear people complaining about spending too much on a good compressor.
JCCLARK
07-17-2008, 10:02 AM
I finally bought an Eaton a couple of yrs ago,
it'due south my 4th compressor, and I wanted this 1 to exist my terminal,
that's why I picked a Eaton. It was a good choice.
I am very happy with it.:cool:
Phil V
07-17-2008, x:49 AM
The following is a cut-n-paste of Rustedgoats message posted on another website. The reason I'thou posting here is because there is some important data that less experienced people looking for an air compressor need to know.
If you've been thinking nearly a new compressor look at the deviation in the size of the pump and motor. The pictures are nothing compared to seeing it in existent life. The soda can is there only to keep things in scale. I don't know why no one puts this into their ads. Later I put the order in I was thinking I may have merely spend extra coin on zero, until I saw this.
(quote from rustedgoat) "I had a used compressor similar specs to what alot of people take or get recommended to purchase.
Craftsman
33 gal
v HP 220v xiii amps
12 cfm @ 40
10 cfm @ 90
about 150 lbs total weight
I just wanted something a petty improve, I was hoping to option upward a good used unit of measurement but nada practiced seemed to be bachelor. I looked at the local dwelling depot, lowes, and harbor freight units merely was not to impressed. They didn't seem much meliorate than what I currently had. Well decided to purchase new and went to Eaton afterwards all the good I heard and read about them.
I still needed something portable (as in safely movable) but stonger than what I had. This isn't a model listed on their website but they built it for me only as quick. Its their eighty gal ii stage setup on a thirty gal tank.
Eaton
thirty gal
5 HP 220v 24.5 running amps
2-stage
800 pump RPM
21.5 CFM displacement
17 CFM gratuitous air @ 175 PSI
Bare pump weighs 222 lbs
Motor weighs 99 lbs
shipped weight 550 lbs
Information technology was $1050, but over $1200 shipped (stop quote).
Very worthy of noting is the amperage of both of the " 5 hp " compressor motors. The " v hp " craftsman at 13 amps is in reality a two running horse power motor just v "peak hp" (which applies to merely the first couple of seconds when that compressor starts running) which use to be a dishonest marketing ploy that all the cheaper compressor retailers were involved in. That "summit hp" usually seen just in the fine print ended up in several large class action constabulary suits and the compressor retailers (and some manufacturers) lost those constabulary suits at the cost of many millions of dollars.)
The 5 hp Eaton running at 24.5 amps is a truthful v hp industrial rated motor. "peak" hp for that motor on startup would be considerably higher (where the sears was at 13 amp on startup).
The Sears air pump is rated at 10cfm @90 psi which means its at effectually 8cfm @ 130 psi (suggested maximum psi to run a single stage pump at). The eaton would be putting out shut to 20 cfm at the same 130 psi.
The Eaton pump is running at 800 rpm delivering an boilerplate of twenty cfm while the Craftsman is double that rpm at effectually 1500 or 1600 rpm delivering an average of around 10cfm.
The craftsman will self destruct in a relatively brusque amount of time and the Eaton should run for many years.
For rustedgoat -- What brand of electric motor is that Eaton running ? (check the tag and encounter where its made). Besides I'm confused - If a thirty gallon tank compressor is portable to you at 500+ lbs then what would brand an eighty gallon tank compressor weighing 100 lbs more less portable ? Betoken beingness when you go to move that thing the divergence between 500 lbs and 600 lbs is going to exist minimal. Information technology appears to me that you lot're doing the air pump and electric motor a disservice sitting on a xxx gallon tank because it will have to wheel (start-run-shut off) shut to iii times as often compared to the same pump and motor on an lxxx gallon tank. That initial offset up is whats hard on air compressors in full general. With an lxxx gallon it would cycle less oftentimes simply it would run longer (which doesn't injure a quality fabricated 100% duty bicycle compressor). Betoken existence information technology would last a lot longer on an 80 gallon tank.
Mooch
07-17-2008, 11:18 AM
I don't think the weight is the reason . But at that place is a rather large size difference .
Mooch :scratchch
JCCLARK
07-17-2008, 11:56 AM
This is exactly what tics me off.
I had that very same Craftsman 5hp compressor.
Look at the motor, 13 amps, that is only a pilus over 1hp, period.
How do they become abroad with that?
I asked a guy at Sears and he said
"it puts out air like a 5hp" that's outrageous,
it doesn't and even if it did, that motor is an outright lie.
A 13 amp motor that runs on 110 volt???????
and they phone call it 5hp, they should be sued.
This is a perfect case of why yous tin't trust HP claims.
They lie. Always bank check the amps on the motor plate.
There are large differences in compressors and they're playing games with
the numbers, just motor plates don't lie (at least not all the same).
Then like I said before, wait at motors and pump CFM's, don't be
sucked in past big tank and HP advertisements.:mad:
Mooch
07-17-2008, 12:06 PM
When did Eaton offset getting their pumps and motors from China ?:rottentom
I wonder if that is all models or just a few ?
Where is yours made JC ?
Mooch :scratchch
JCCLARK
07-17-2008, 12:xiv PM
I was told the pump was made in China,
I don't know about the motor.:confused:
I think those specs above are a misprint.
I could not detect any Eaton electric compressors
with a tank as small as 30 gal.
The smallest I found was 60 gal.:D
Mooch
07-17-2008, 12:22 PM
I was told the pump was made in Prc,
I don't know about the motor.:confused:
I retrieve those specs in a higher place are a misprint.
I could not discover whatever Eaton electric compressors
with a tank as pocket-sized as 30 gal.
The smallest I found was 60 gal.:D
I still needed something portable (as in safely movable) only stonger than what I had. This isn't a model listed on their website but they built it for me merely as quick. Its their eighty gal 2 stage setup on a thirty gal tank.
Eaton
JC he said it was special fabricated by Eaton for him .
Mooch :scratchch
Total_Package
07-17-2008, 12:59 PM
This thread is very informative. Thanks for the help. Adjacent year when I buy a compressor its going to be a real compressor, not some pussy craftsman
Total_Package
07-17-2008, 01:23 PM
I got a question though. Say your not running a body store. You just need a compressor to prep and probably paint.
Sleepy, a member from the same thread (http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568024) says
that'due south the difference between a single stage and a 2 stage. my sanborn single stage is 60 gallon 21.3@40 x.5@ninety and 145off 120on simply it only toll me $350. at Menard'due south.
And then wouldnt a Sanborn unmarried stage exist just as good if your not going to be running the compressor 24/seven?
JCCLARK
07-17-2008, 01:26 PM
JC he said it was special made past Eaton for him .
Mooch :scratchch
Oh! (never heed):dunce:
Mooch
07-17-2008, 02:29 PM
I got a question though. Say your not running a torso shop. You simply demand a compressor to prep and probably paint.
Sleepy, a member from the same thread (http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568024) says
So wouldnt a Sanborn unmarried stage exist just as good if your not going to exist running the compressor 24/vii?
The stats listed by Sleepy is just plain old BS .:rottentom
Mooch :shhh:
rustedgoat
07-17-2008, 02:48 PM
The electrical motor has the name WEG on it. Equally far as the pump being fabricated in China, I wouldn't acquaintance it with the cheaper stuff from China. Eaton seems to have a good reputation and I don't think they would apply something knowing their customers are going to be actually using their units.
I did demand something portable (size wise) to get downwards into a basement. It's down by the breaker box. And then I have air in the basement, carport, and out to detached garage. No garage space wasted its a two auto and I really can put 2 cars in it. I'yard going to pick up a 60 gal tank from a burnt upwardly discount compressor if the tank is rated for 175psi and employ that in a slave setup. I can put that anywhere and easily move it if needed.
Information technology really didn't seem like it was a custom order with Eaton I asked and the said OK similar information technology was nothing special. The tech double checked with someone called me back in a few minutes and I placed the lodge.
Domicile depot, lowes, sams gild and all the outlets may or may non help out if y'all run into problems they are just a retailer and volition sell you what YOU pick out. Some of the units are fine for some people but again alot of people e'er seem to be upgrading from them in one case they become more agile.
Phil 5
07-17-2008, 03:43 PM
I got a question though. Say your non running a body store. You just need a compressor to prep and probably pigment.
Sleepy, a member from the same thread (http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568024) says
So wouldnt a Sanborn single stage be just as skillful if your non going to be running the compressor 24/7?
I agree that Sleepy probably mistakenly transposed a couple numbers. NO Fashion is that compressor putting out 21 cfm @ 40 and then 10.v cfm @ 90 psi. What it should read is 12 cfm @ xl psi and x.5 @ 90 psi (at least in the real world).
Phil V
07-17-2008, 03:49 PM
rustedgoat, thanks for posting that information. Your Eaton compressor pump and motor has impressive stats, so with an extra threescore gallon slave tank your whole organisation should handle whatsoever task asked of it.
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